Paralyzed Veterans of America
American Association of People with Disabilities
The Council of Parent Attorneys and Advocates, Inc.
Epilepsy Foundation
United Spinal Association
United Cerebral Palsy
The Arc of the United States
American Council of the Blind
National Multiple Sclerosis Society
The Training and Advocacy Support Center of the National Association of Protection and Advocacy Systems, Inc.
And, sincerely thank all other individuals or States providing Amici Curiae in support of the Plaintiffs...
Fellowship Gathering on February 26th, 2005
Hamilton Crowne Plaza, Host Hotel in Washington, the District of Columbia
Nearly five years ago when the Spectors, Julia Hollenbeck, David Killough, and Roger Peters recounted what had happened to them when they tried to take peaceful vacations aboard NCL vessels sailing from Houston, it was immediately clear they had suffered the exact type of disability discrimination that the ADA sought to prohibit. "Because cruise lines offer so many types of places of public accommodations in one location, the case offered a unique opportunity to address disability discrimination in places of lodging, restaurants, theaters, fitness centers, medical offices, and public transportation facilities at one time", said Elaine Roberts, Attorney at Law, who initiated suit on behalf of Spector, et. al., when NCL would not agree to change its discriminatory policies.
Attorney at law, Elaine Roberts stated, "It takes a special type of person to endure the hardships of five years of litigation brought on by a multi-billion dollar company like NCL. We knew we had the type of brave, tenacious an intelligent people who would stick it out against whatever NCL threw at them over the years. NCL has spared no expense and effort to try to discourage these plaintiffs from proceeding with this suit to change NCL's discriminatory policies. When NCL would not change its discriminatory policies against persons with mobility impairments, even though it had previously been sued by the United States government, for identical discriminatory policies against persons with visual impairments, NCL would not even apologize for its improper treatment of the Spectors, et. al. and their family members, it became obvious that we would have to take it all the way to the United States Supreme Court to get NCL's discriminatory policies to stop."
"Although the journey to the United States Supreme Court has been long, tedious, and very difficult for the Plaintiffs and their counsel, the fact that we continue to receive calls from persons with mobility impairments about identical discriminatory treatment aboard NCL vessels (including NCL's American flagged vessels), convinces us that we must continue this fight against NCL. It is time that the provisions of Title III of the ADA, passed in 1990, are followed in this country. Companies have had 15-years to come into compliance with the ADA for their places of public accommodation and many have voluntarily done this. Unfortunately, NCL is not one of those companies and the discrimination prohibited by the ADA must stop now so that no one ever has to face the indignities that Spector, et al endured". She said.
People not attending the fellowship gathering on February 26th, missed the opportunity to meet the team who brought everything together, with supporters who worked very closely with Plaintiffs/Petitioners, two Houston law firms, and a dedicated law firm in Washington, DC, to bring awareness, advocacy, and alliance, to stop discrimination.
(1) Andrew Imparato, President, American Association of People with Disabilities, (AAPD) is deep in conversation with Thomas C. Goldstein, Attorney at Law, Goldstein & Howe, P.C., representing the Petitioners on February 28th at the United States Supreme Court in Washington, DC, while David Musgraves, Executive Vice-President, Wheel Me On, listens intently. AAPD was one of several organizations that provided Amicus Briefs in support of the Petitioners. (2) Nat Garrett with the Stanford Law School Supreme Court Clinic visits with a colleague, while another individual speaks with someone across the table. (3) The camera gets the attention of Petitioner Anna Spector; the Spector's son; Douglas Spector, the lead Petitioner; the Spector's daughter; and Lauren Kolke and Eric Feigin, both with the Stanford Law School Supreme Court Clinic.
(1) The lead Petitioner, Douglas Spector smiles shyly from the opposite end of the table while Eric Feigin turns to speak to someone behind him. (2) Julia Hollenbeck, Petitioner, Founder and President of Wheel Me On, beams as David George, Attorney at Law, Edwards & George, LLP, Houston, Texas, and Thomas Goldstein, Attorney at Law, Goldstein and Howe Law Firm, Washington, DC, stand next to her.
The evening marked a fellowship gathering to bring together fellowship of the many individuals who worked diligently for the benefit of millions of Americans with disabilities who look forward to vacations on cruise vessels sailing out of American Ports. Missing from the photos, were Elaine Roberts, Attorney at Law; Petitioner David Thomas Killough, Board Director, Wheel Me On; and Petitioner Roger Peters, Member, Wheel Me On, who passed away a few months ago. (David Killough, Petitioner, arrived the following day to attend the hearing at the United States Supreme Court.)
There is little doubt our 32nd President of the United States of America was strongly against discrimination in any shape or form and freedom on major issues were always uppermost in his mind for the safety and well-being of every American. Visit the link on our web site to read several of his famous quotes, too many Americans have seemingly forgot, and his determination to make things right during the twelve years he served our country.
It Began in the State of Texas
Hearing on Motion for Class Certification
On November 19th, 2001, Julia Hollenbeck arrived in Houston, Texas to attend a hearing that ultimately joined an on-going program for Wheel Me On..."Accessibility Awareness on Cruise Vessels".
She was joined by Greg Joyce, Director of Operations, Houston, TX; David Killough, Director of Environmental Hazards, WMO, Houston, TX; Rodger Peters; Donna Statham, (Ms. Wheelchair Texas 2000), Liaison for WMO, St. Hedwig, TX; Elia Gonzales, Director of Operations, WMO, San Antonio, Texas; and William S. Dillow, Vice-President, WMO, Bulverde, Texas.
Additional wheelers from Houston also attended.
Julia Hollenbeck, President of Wheel Me On, Douglas Spector, and Rodger Peters, filed a class action lawsuit in Harris County, Texas, on behalf of persons who utilize wheel chairs or scooters for mobility and who were denied access to portions of Norwegian Cruise Line vessels, NCL ports of calls, and NCL day excursions.
In this disability discrimination suit, the class action plaintiffs complain about NCL’s policies of relegating passengers with mobility impairments to inferior, interior rooms, requiring them to travel with persons who are not mobility impaired, and denying them access to NCL day excursions and ports of call.
The class action lawsuit also alleges that NCL vessels have inaccessible public restrooms, restaurants, swimming pools, decks, evacuation areas, and elevators. Additionally, there are only four accessible rooms aboard ships with over 800 rooms, and individuals who require accessible cabins are not allowed to take advantage of cruise discount packages.
The attorneys representing the plaintiffs in the class action, included Elaine Roberts and Brady Edwards. During the hearing, it was learned that between 4000-4500 disabled passengers traveled on NCL cruises each year. After months of research, discovery, and depositions, the lawyers and the five named plaintiffs moved for class certification on behalf of the thousands of disabled NCL passengers.
Arriving at the court house with ample time to visit and relax, Julia Hollenbeck and David Killough enjoyed visiting with "Spoke" the mascot, while Donna Statham kicked back and visited with Elia Gonzales.
At 9:00 a.m. on November 19, 2001, Brent Gamble, Judge of the 270th Judicial District Court, Civil Courts Building at 301 Fannin Street in Houston, Texas conducted a class certification hearing to determine whether the disability discrimination lawsuit against NCL would be allowed to proceed as a class action.
It is very important that NCL and the Court realize the strong public interest in this class action and in changing NCL policies toward persons with disabilities.
Asked for his input following the hearing, William Dillow submitted his input by saying, "It amazed me to hear both sides argue the merits of the case, and appear to be exactly opposite. The statements by the lawyers were true, but only in a context that was not actually the case in question. It amazes me that they can get opposite viewpoints without actually lying. The crux of the matter is whether or not people in wheelchairs are being discriminated against on the cruise. The legal people on the defendant's side are using every chance to obfuscate the facts. They throw in many "ipso facto's" and other legal arguments. They argue that four staterooms on the fourth inside deck are adequate on a ship with 800 staterooms. They also argued that since a high percentage of people in wheel chairs are in the lower socioeconomic group, there would not be a need for "posh" staterooms. Of course, this is ridiculous. In actual fact, it is not actually much more expensive to construct a barrier free room as opposed to a standard room. Most of the actual case will hinge on whether "reasonable accommodations" were attempted by the cruise line."
He went on to say, "The hope of the litigants is that in the future, it will be more enjoyable for people in wheel chairs to cruise the seas. They also hope that more people will be able to take part in a really enjoyable vacation at a very reasonable price. I think that a cruise is one of the most cost effective vacations you can buy. Also, in this hi-tech world, more people will be able to use some of the mobility aids that are being developed and will be able to take a cruise/vacation. Win, loose, or draw, on this case, with the help of the courts, and the "ADA" the future looks bright indeed for "Wheelers".
The hearing before Judge Brent Gamble, allowed me to hear from both sides on the accessibility of Norwegian Cruise Lines.
I am a frequent traveler and would have done what any disabled traveler would do. I would ask the questions regarding accessibility and also rely on their information and brochures to assure me everything I could possibly want or need would be available and accessible.
Otherwise, I would not be interested in going on a cruise. I found that through testimony (opening remarks) that I would tend to believe or side with the Plaintiff. I feel (based on the information orally presented) that NCL misrepresented themselves and it sounded like they would really rather have this heard individually rather than as a class action.
I think they "fear" the outcome. It would be easier to settle and go on doing business as usual (denying reasonable accommodation of the disabled). Elaine Roberts and David George are well-armed to represent this suit and I believe their final actions will bear action resulting in "full use and enjoyment" - "equal access to all" - and a "reasonable accommodation" to the general disabled traveler.
Naturally, time will eventually reveal all, and I have no inside information but my hunch is that NCL will not prevail in this case. It may take years to finally resolve, but you have to start somewhere.
Greg Joyce, Director of Operations
Wheel Me On... Houston, Texas
A Status Report from the Department of Justice
September 2002
Texas Federal Court Finds Cruise Ships Covered by Title III - The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas agreed with an amicus brief filed by the Department and ruled that cruise ships are covered by title III. In Spector v. Norwegian Cruise Line Limited plaintiffs alleged that Norwegian's cruise ships violate title III by failing to provide an adequate number of accessible cabins and by charging extra for them, and by providing programs and services in inaccessible areas of the ships. The court held that cruise ships are both "public accommodations" and "specified public transportation" covered by title III, and that application of title III to foreign-flagged cruise ships does not conflict with international treaties or violate the presumption against extraterritorial application of federal law. The court, however, disagreed with the Department that the cruise line was under an obligation to engage in readily achievable barrier removal. Instead, it dismissed the barrier removal claims because it believed that the absence of requirements for cruise ships in the ADA Standards for Accessible Design leaves cruise lines without adequate notice of what is expected of them and courts without sufficient guidance to make consistent decisions as to what readily achievable barrier removal requires. The court, however, did not dismiss plaintiff's claims regarding the alleged surcharges for accessible rooms and the failure to make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, and procedures.
United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit
September 4th, 2003 Hearing
I attended oral arguments at the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans, Louisiana on September 4, 2003, for appeal number 02-21154, (Douglas Spector, et al. vs. Norwegian Cruise Line, Ltd.). I listened to the arguments presented by both sides, and I found them to be interesting.
Having awareness for the difficulties people encounter having physical difficulties from my mom's situation, and Wheel Me On members, I was proud to be part of this historical event.
The Court of John Minor Wisdom was open to the public with the panel of three Fifth Circuit Judges presiding over the case to hear oral arguments on three primary issues:
- Whether the ADA applies to foreign flagged passenger vessels while in United States ports of call.
- Whether vessels are required to remove architectural barriers.
- Whether individuals who are not disabled themselves, but who travel with persons with mobility impairments, should be allowed to assert associational claims against cruise ships for differential treatment encountered during their travels with persons with disabilities.
I was surprised to hear, "Considering taking the case to the Supreme Court", during arguments from Norwegian Cruise Line's attorney. Now going into its third year in litigation, hopefully, a decision in this case will bring closure soon and favorable outcome for all disabled Americans. The Fifth Circuit decision will surely have a large impact on foreign flagged vessel accessibility regardless of the Court's final decision.
For those who could not make the journey to New Orleans...
Task Force Director, WMO
Message From Member Regarding 5th Circuit Court Decision
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled that the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) does not apply to foreign cruise ships, even when those ships are in U.S. waters. Plaintiffs asserted that the ship contained physical barriers that
denied them access to public accommodations and other facilities on the ships. The court held that there was nothing in the ADA indicating that Congress intended for the ADA to be applied extra-territorially. This decision is directly contrary to the
11th Circuit decision in Stevens v. Premier Cruises and sets the stage for a possible Supreme Court review. (Member, Georgia)
January 12, 2004 ~ Fifth Circuit Court ~ No. 02-21154